From the ‘What were they thinking?’ department …
October 21st, 2008
As I’ve said before, the blessing and the curse of gutting a building is that you find all the flaws. Ever since I gutted the walls in the back bedroom I’ve felt suspicious about the closet. The closets upstairs were just tacked on additions with no ulterior motives. But this closet downstairs .. it was framed out with 4×4s and on a pedestal. I decided to leave it until after the ceiling was out.
I’m glad I did. When the dust settled from falling plaster and the last hazel nut rattled to a stop on the floor, this is what we saw:
From my reading on timber frame construction, I know that notching a horizontal member greatly diminishes it’s strength. How does that translate to stick construction? Well, the book Code Check 5th Edition says that the middle 1/3rd of floor joists may not be notched at all and the outer thirds may only be notched to 1/6th the depth of the joist and only on the top. Yeah .. um .. how many of the rules do these notches break?
It appears that their solution to this damage was to create a ‘load bearing closet’. Then they framed in some cross members with joist hangers to pass some of the floor load above onto this closet. I believe at least one of those pipes is an active water line, so we’ll have to have a second bathroom functional before trying to straighten out this particular mess.

November 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Hey Lee and Robin,
Love reading your edition of This Old House. Keep em comin.
This is my favorite saying so far
“how many of the rules (do these notches break)?”
no pun intended right?
Looks like “loads” of fun.
Matt
November 4th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Thanks Matt,
It was nice hearing from you. We just got our internet hooked back up after the big move. Hopefully everything will work out here because I am very tired of moving. Three times in five months is a little much.
As for “loads” of fun, well, it’s been interesting. I never though I would be taking showers with a pot of water or living in a house that doesn’t have any walls.
Robin